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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church you can follow me on

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twitter at j church radio

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email is jimmy jimmy churchradio.com

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tonight barry littleton is with us

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tomorrow night is fader night open lines

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all night long

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tonight it's barry barry is a graduate

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in psychology sociology and ethics

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studies from wichita state university

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and for the last two decades barry has

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been involved in administration for

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at-risk youth including cognitive

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behavioral modification and managing

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aggressive behavior he's also on an

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options stock trader he has researched

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and practiced several aspects of the

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spiritual metaphysical and paranormal

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his story is amazing and it has been a

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life of contact and i would like to

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welcome back to fade black barry

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littleton and of course his website is

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barry littleton.com the links are over

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at jimmy church radio barry how are you

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man

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i'm good jimmy how you doing you know

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you know you're one of our favorite

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guests do you feel the warmth the vibe

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this audience is is just barry's here

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can you feel it can you feel it that's

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wonderful i thank everybody for that

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well

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we thank you we thank you and and barry

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let's let's actually

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uh let's turn back time a little bit

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and i don't know if you heard uh my

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introduction to you in the show tonight

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uh

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that we met

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and i approached you and we ended up uh

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hanging out we had never met before i

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never heard your story before

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and we ended up hanging out for three or

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four days after that and it was uh it

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was a great way to start uh not only a

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friendship but your relationship with

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fade to black and coast to coast in this

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audience

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but immediately after that

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uh

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you you were on fade to black and then

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you were on coast to coast then we

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brought you back to fade to black you of

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course you're here with us tonight

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and you were exposed to this ufo

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community in a pretty short order

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um and the

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the reaction from everybody has has just

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been phenomenal hasn't it but they've

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embraced you you're you're now part of

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you know um

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i i thank everybody for that and i

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didn't expect that as i told you when we

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were privately talking you know i

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thought when i was at a setting the last

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time i was pretty much going to be out

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of this and no one else would be

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listening to me at that point that was

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two years ago

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so um you know and not just that but i

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had um

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suffered four catastrophic traumatic

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brain injuries in a car accident and i

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had died on the way to the hospital

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and after that you know when i regained

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i figured why stay quiet anymore you

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know i was it just it changed everything

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from my life but i didn't think that i

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would get this kind of reception from

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the public i thought it'd just be more

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ridiculed and things like that but

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that's not the case so i really extend

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thank you to you and everyone who's been

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so supportive since i came forward you

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know rita and i talk about it and uh

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when we have uh dinner parties and

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it's really strange and i hope that your

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ears light up right and start uh start

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burning and ringing

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um you're talked about a lot in this

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so many people come up to me and ask me

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about you

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uh are you serious well of course you

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know it barry stop

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stop but but but the thing is

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it's it's the way that you speak about

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it uh with total honesty that's i think

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that's the first part

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the second part you're you're black

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right and we don't hear

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from uh because it's not i think that

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this community barry um uh when people

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look at ufology from the outside and

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contactees and everything that it's it's

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white men

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it's just a white thing or it's just a

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white male thing it's a global that it

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it reaches across all cultures all skin

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uh et is not selective

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you know and that's and that's really

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the bottom line here um and so as we

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start this conversation tonight i

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actually want to start there

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why is it that more

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step forward and speak about their

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experiences why why don't they do it i

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love it that you're addressing this

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again and i appreciate that because that

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is the only way this gets cured you know

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what i mean is by addressing this topic

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part one would be to your answer would

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be one would be um the fact that in the

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media and when dealing with the contact

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we don't i didn't see anyone who looked

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like me you know i had barney hill and

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it was that other brother uh steve that

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that's about it right and outside of

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that and barty didn't have the greatest

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uh experience and they were with grace i

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didn't see grace so that was you know

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that made it hard for me to come forward

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and talk about it the second thing i

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think would be the indoctrination

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of um religion to a degree that anytime

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you're having contact with a non-human

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or some type of experience like that um

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it must be demons so you get thrown into

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the demonology thing and i'm seeing so

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much that right now used to discredit

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experiencers and contactees by saying

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whatever beings they're dealing with oh

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they're being deceived they're devils

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you know and that that that's something

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that else that makes people not want to

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come forward but especially as a black

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man myself it was the fact i didn't see

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anyone else that looked like me

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and on top of that what i saw in the

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media didn't conform to my contact

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experiences

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if that makes sense no it does it

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certainly makes sense

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and i don't want to uh some of the

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respected researchers in ufology today

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uh damon t berry right um uh

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uh of course billy carson

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uh are two of the most respected alexis

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brooks a great host and broadcaster

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right some of the most respected and i

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that would inspire others to step

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forward and i want to ask you

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have members of the black community come

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up to you and said hey you know thank

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you know i've had my own experiences too

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has that happened

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you know yeah and i'd say more even

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through social media definitely and by

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the way man i give you thanks out

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because there's a lot of a lot of

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brothers and sisters that are talking

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about you that you're addressing this

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because we know that you've taken a lot

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of heat from the community for it yeah

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i appreciate you because the first time

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you spoke to me when you stepped up at a

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study that's the first thing you asked

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me and so often jimmy people love the

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information i can present and the fact

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that i'm a real contactee but they don't

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like it when i say i'm black

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they don't seem to like that things seem

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to go left and they start saying things

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they don't see color and things that

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they do you know that and that's an

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issue and the fact that we have people

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like alexis brooks interviewed with her

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a while ago she's wonderful um you know

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that that is encouraging thing that's

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why i came forward to at least create a

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platform where melon and dominant people

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not just black but hispanic asians

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everyone feels a little more comfortable

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and seeing that they're not alone

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because we've got like man we've got 70

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percent of the population right now that

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i think has had contact of some type

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there's no question about that and

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and also okay i'll also say something

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else very public when it comes to this

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it doesn't matter what we're talking

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whenever i hear a white guy especially

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see white well i call bs on that okay

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because we all see color

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and it bothers me because i want to say

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the same thing barry i want to see i

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want to be able to say i don't see color

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i i just don't you know i i've got black

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friends and i've got asian fries i've

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got these you know what stop with that

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that that's just not cool

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right but but i want to say it too i do

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because i don't see color

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but that then we're in denial of of the

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real truth here because it is an issue

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okay and i'm uncomfortable talking about

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something that should be talked about

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well check it out check it out my friend

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it's it's one thing is that you know

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i give an example when something that

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really struck me it's the first

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interview that i did with you on fade to

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black i was still at the ranch you had

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left probably a few days before

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and it was a great interview and i was

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very very glad with him i walked out i

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got addressed by several people are

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still there a group of people they said

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oh barry that was a great interview but

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we're a little upset with jimmy and i

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said well about what they said well he

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was going to the race thing

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and i said you mean for the whole first

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90 seconds of the interview

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i just looked at him kind of puzzled you

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know are you kidding me

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that's that's what you heard and it was

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very that's when i realized like wow you

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know denial of the situation sticking

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our head in the sand doesn't make it any

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better no but just bringing people's

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attention to it to realize what's going

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on and then it can then it can change

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from there but we can't stick our head

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in the in in the sand and i've mentioned

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to you before you you got me to laughing

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too much on that one interview i

282
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couldn't almost breathe but you know

283
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it's true when i started looking at the

284
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type of extraterrestrials when we go to

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those that are humanoid

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that are

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often shown by uh the media they're

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always these nordics and they always did

289
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look like kevin sorbo as hercules

290
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maybe maybe uh fabio the fabio workout

291
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with christy brinkley i mean that that's

292
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that's that's fine but that doesn't do

293
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much for

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what about black extraterrestrials

295
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melanin dominant different creeds of the

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humanoid form that come from galactic

297
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that that that's not ever addressed

298
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you know so that that that's an issue

299
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you bring up one of the best points

300
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though uh for anybody to say that

301
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you know they would be upset with me

302
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speaking about the obvious

303
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wait a minute here let's let's at least

304
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put that on the table

305
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and recognize the obvious and then move

306
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on but don't don't act like

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it's it we right that

308
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that we don't notice or to hide behind

309
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that statement you know i don't see

310
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color yeah you do

311
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you just don't say that

312
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because that's a lie that's that's that

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that that's not cool you know and and i

314
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catch myself too because i i say it

315
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myself and i think it myself but then

316
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then we're denying uh the facts of the

317
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case okay so

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um

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uh now let's get the demonology part of

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it

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um

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is is pretty interesting uh the

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spiritual side the religious side

324
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of why

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it is an issue because

326
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uh and i know i mentioned this to you

327
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before

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uh one of my dear friends producer of

329
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fade to black his name's hilton palm

330
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hilton j palm and there's plenty of

331
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pictures of him out there

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uh he's a very proud smart intelligent

333
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broadcaster he's black and he lives in

334
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south central los angeles right right

335
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right in the heart of it all

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he's got a wonderful family and he's

337
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just he's just an amazing friend but i

338
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had to ask him you know and uh on the

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show i asked him about ufos

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and i said

341
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if

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you saw a ufo

343
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would you go and talk to your family

344
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about it nope

345
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would not

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you know and i said i said well why

347
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there's no way

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in my community

349
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that we would ever talk about that if

350
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there you would be

351
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immediately labeled there's a religious

352
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uh

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side to this too as well

354
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uh there's ghosts the paranormal and

355
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dead people and things

356
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that you you can't and

357
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you you need to be

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uh somebody that is a man that is stable

359
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and that's that that was his take and i

360
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think it was an honest take but it just

361
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caused me to step back and go i wonder

362
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why

363
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because they're having all everybody on

364
00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:50,639
this planet is having the same

365
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experiences as everybody else

366
00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:56,240
yes yes and you know i am since we

367
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talked last time uh last summer

368
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:00,959
i was with a friend of mine floorburn

369
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she does the show also she had me down

370
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to florida she had the first

371
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melanin dominant

372
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contact uh

373
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conference

374
00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:12,880
so i spoke there ray hernandez was there

375
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i think he met ray and she met and also

376
00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:17,760
sonia barrett so it was really just a

377
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nice event you know by no means was it

378
00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:22,560
required that attendees be melanin and

379
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there was all types of people there but

380
00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:26,560
it was really just a nice forum to talk

381
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about contact experiences if you're a

382
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:31,440
person of color so the forum that's

383
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going on and people like you addressing

384
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,600
this it is changing things you know and

385
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that that's important it's very

386
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important because right now if i was

387
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let's say in my teens and i was having

388
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,320
contact experiences i would be more

389
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comfortable being able to get on youtube

390
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and seeing people that look like me just

391
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even if it's just a few and hearing

392
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:52,320
these things being addressed i may have

393
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:54,800
to search for it really deep but i could

394
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,279
find it as to where when i was young it

395
00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:59,519
was nearly impossible to find this to

396
00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,199
get access to this type of knowledge

397
00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,120
yeah no you know what i mean yes i do

398
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,519
and some of that goes beyond just being

399
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uh

400
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,720
ethnic some of that goes on the

401
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community of just the whole community

402
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,560
i've talked to so many contactees jimmy

403
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,480
that i'm married say i didn't tell my

404
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:16,000
wife about what happened i didn't tell

405
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,839
my husband about what happened i mean

406
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,760
it's bad enough if you see a sasquatch

407
00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:21,519
people tell me i saw one of those i

408
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:22,880
didn't tell anybody about it you tell my

409
00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:23,920
wife

410
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:25,600
what

411
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:26,399
you know

412
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,160
me seeing a ufo and talking about it in

413
00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:34,560
public i have no issues with

414
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,480
the day that i see sasquatch in person

415
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:40,880
i'm not so sure i'm going to admit to it

416
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,079
either i don't know i don't know it's

417
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,240
weird you know you can talk about ufos

418
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:48,720
and flying saucers uh

419
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:52,639
sasquatch and the whole bigfoot thing

420
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:57,440
is another issue all together in society

421
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,800
you know you there's something i talk

422
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,480
about frequently is the last time we did

423
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,320
the interview you talked about the

424
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,160
footprints you saw in the seti that the

425
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,720
kids showed you that's a great story

426
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:08,160
and you know and then you know weird

427
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,519
things happened to me when i got out

428
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,880
there the very first time i went out

429
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:13,199
there jimmy i and my brother had called

430
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,639
my brother's about you know my brothers

431
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:16,639
are 20 years older than me and he said

432
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,720
he said man you didn't really believe in

433
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:20,000
bigfoot before you went out there all

434
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,279
the stuff that's happened to you but you

435
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:23,040
didn't really believe in bigfoot did you

436
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,480
before you went out to that ranch i said

437
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,480
well i i i

438
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,279
you know i i was curious i wasn't sure

439
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,800
and then i went out there and got

440
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:32,720
blasted all sorts of weird stuff started

441
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,480
happening to me starting with feeling

442
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,720
like i was being watched about a mile

443
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:38,720
before i got on that property

444
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,279
you know getting getting telepathic

445
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,199
i didn't recognize it as telepathy but

446
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,279
obsessing about looking up albino

447
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,680
sasquatch on youtube several days before

448
00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:48,880
i went out there

449
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,320
weird things like that i mean it's just

450
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,399
weird stuff like that happens out there

451
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:54,959
that goes a little beyond

452
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,320
explanation

453
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:57,920
as far as uh

454
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,560
things we call telepathy and awareness i

455
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:02,320
i don't know what to tell you

456
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,120
now

457
00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:06,480
yeah and and speaking of uh kevin sorbo

458
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:07,060
uh

459
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:08,799
[Laughter]

460
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,039
seriously and and fabio and uh christy

461
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:15,280
brinkley uh et's

462
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,640
uh

463
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:17,679
why

464
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,799
you know there most certainly are but

465
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,120
they are very much the stories of such

466
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:29,520
is suppressed by the media

467
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:31,919
i mean openly because you i mean outside

468
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,799
of you've got norman bergen who wrote

469
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,600
the

470
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,919
rings of saturn he said that actually he

471
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,440
saw that there was a ship that came down

472
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,360
in some shipyard he didn't say it was a

473
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,600
saturn but he said that eight feet tall

474
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,120
brothers got out of there black people

475
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,640
seven it's eight feet tall black people

476
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,919
get out of there

477
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,520
and he was interviewed but i think it

478
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,320
was uh that lady from uh camelot project

479
00:17:58,260 --> 00:17:54,320
camelot and it's kind of funny because

480
00:17:59,880 --> 00:17:58,270
he said what do they look like he says

481
00:18:03,750 --> 00:17:59,890
[Applause]

482
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,760
[Laughter]

483
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:05,200
that's one of the few people you hear

484
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,960
that talked about it but now that you

485
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:08,880
have people like me and you talking

486
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,360
about it and making a gripe about it all

487
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,160
of a sudden now there are whistleblowers

488
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,720
coming forward oh i met every tribe of

489
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,400
black people here and there you know

490
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,720
what i mean from inner earth from out

491
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,280
there now it's becoming popular to act

492
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,520
like he knows something about it so what

493
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,480
will it be so the nordics being i i

494
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,120
always picture sweden right northern

495
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:33,520
europe uh when it comes to the nordics

496
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,559
as far as a a geographical uh area i

497
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,559
maybe it's true maybe it's not it's it's

498
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:43,280
what i think of first so what are we

499
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,559
gonna call uh the uh the black uh the

500
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,880
black aliens the black ets

501
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,240
uh what

502
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:53,440
what relative dt's goes pretty good you

503
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,190
the melanins we'll just go with that

504
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,440
that's cool

505
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,520
there were some nordics there were some

506
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:11,039
melanins

507
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,400
you know it's something like this i

508
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,000
think going back to the last question

509
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,919
you asked something that was brought up

510
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,240
brought to me by peter maxwell slattery

511
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,640
and a few others that you had um some

512
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,559
aboriginal elders

513
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,440
that were

514
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,600
providing artifacts that claimed that

515
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:27,200
they were the first people here that's

516
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,080
right but

517
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,080
they started in australia then migrated

518
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:32,000
to africa that's right everybody got mad

519
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,280
because it challenged the africa thing

520
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,120
but nonetheless is still dealing with

521
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,440
melancholy individuals but then they

522
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,200
also said that they were seated here

523
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,880
from the pleiades

524
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,280
and that their first pleiadians looked

525
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,280
just like them they were black

526
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,880
and you see that's something there and

527
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,039
since that has been brought out

528
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,960
i have not heard anything more about it

529
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,200
it's been swept underneath the rug and

530
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,600
all we'll we're still seeing is fabio

531
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:56,799
okay

532
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,440
in all in all fairness um

533
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,760
i had to deal with something when i had

534
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,919
found out that in my childhood

535
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:05,200
experiences

536
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,080
i have met one of these nordics okay not

537
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,320
of maybe the popular things we hear i

538
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,840
think he's a time traveler but

539
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,760
nonetheless he was a nordic all right

540
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,200
and i couldn't

541
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,840
remember it exactly so i had to wind up

542
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,679
eating a little bit of crow on that all

543
00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:22,080
right but it is what it is you know i

544
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,360
still

545
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,480
[Laughter]

546
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,799
we've got all types out there

547
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,000
the uh

548
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:30,000
uh well i want to set up for when we

549
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,440
come back after the break which we're

550
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,679
going to do in a couple of minutes here

551
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:36,000
but i i want to uh

552
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:39,520
uh talk about your your background and

553
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,200
your first contact for uh for everybody

554
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,400
that hasn't heard you and i talk before

555
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,120
and and it's important that we kind of

556
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,200
do the reset because we're also going to

557
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,360
talk about current events and

558
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,520
and all of the recent stuff that you've

559
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,000
been dealing with and i need everybody

560
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,200
to have a solid foundation

561
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:03,280
with your background and your life of

562
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,039
contact and since we're talking about uh

563
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,600
your ethnicity and your background that

564
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,679
also includes your family

565
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,480
and

566
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:14,559
what was your family

567
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,360
like

568
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,720
during this contact back then uh you

569
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,400
know because you have friends you have

570
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:22,240
neighbors you have people that you uh

571
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,440
your parents work with church on sunday

572
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,200
all of these things

573
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,600
uh how did you deal with it

574
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,799
well for starters i as most contactees

575
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,200
was obsessed with hiding it because i

576
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,559
couldn't prove it

577
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,159
i couldn't prove like when i wake up at

578
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,320
night not at home wake up on one of

579
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,480
these ships or in this room where

580
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,840
they're trying to get me to do things

581
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,600
with my mind their telekinetics and

582
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,240
things like that i it was physical i was

583
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,400
waking up physically in these places but

584
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,320
i couldn't prove it so i didn't say

585
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,440
anything

586
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:55,360
you know what i mean and sometimes in

587
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,440
childhood it would also be dreamlike

588
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:01,520
you know so so so in that way i didn't

589
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,760
say a lot and but i did see um the first

590
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,240
ship i saw i was with my mother

591
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,919
and she saw it at the age of seven i

592
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,200
just turned seven

593
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,280
and we saw this ship outside of east

594
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,200
gate mall but where i live and then i

595
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,200
have a sibling i have a brother that's a

596
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,280
musician now my siblings are all much

597
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,520
older than me but my oldest sibling he's

598
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,400
in his 60s he um he's had contact a few

599
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,039
times it's not like mine it's different

600
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,200
but nonetheless he's had contact with of

601
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,520
a type so he has an understanding my

602
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,919
other brother and sister have not but

603
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,760
they're very accepting you know so in

604
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,000
that way that's that's cool i've been

605
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,720
blessed in that way and but

606
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,280
nothing was discussed right uh well i

607
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,960
know you had your conversation with your

608
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:45,919
mom

609
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,679
but as far as uh friends and neighbors

610
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,000
and and classmates and like i said

611
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,520
church on sunday whatever it was that

612
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:56,640
you guys were doing as a family

613
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,480
all of this was uh suppressed

614
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:02,159
yeah yeah i didn't i didn't tell anybody

615
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,600
about it i mean i said and uh uh just no

616
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,120
no

617
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,039
in fact to be honest with you when i

618
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,120
couldn't find things in the media that

619
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,840
conformed to my experiences

620
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,080
i even tried to shut them off and stop

621
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,600
them from happening because i couldn't

622
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,679
prove anything and then they did stop

623
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,520
for a little while from about the ages

624
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:24,880
of 13 to about 18 i had one experience

625
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,440
in those those years but then after that

626
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,919
they answered my my request for more

627
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,760
physical contact and that's what i call

628
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,080
adult onset experiences

629
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,080
which took on a whole different toll

630
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,400
from me and that's what i talked about a

631
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,520
lot because they were very much physical

632
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:44,159
and um and so yeah sorry i was gonna say

633
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,440
let's take our break right here and

634
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,360
we'll just uh continue when we come back

635
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,000
our guest tonight is barry littleton and

636
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:51,679
i do want to remind everybody tomorrow

637
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,559
night is fader night open lines all

638
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,760
night long but tonight it's barry i am

639
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,080
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640
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659
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:51,679
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660
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,559
around barry littleton now barry

661
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,640
let's uh so let's turn back the clocks

662
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,279
here let's uh tell us about

663
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:02,880
uh your first contact

664
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,760
and it's it's fascinating and believe it

665
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,080
or not barry the uh

666
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,600
uh i'm sure that we're going to talk

667
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,200
about the what happened on the

668
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,200
playground and

669
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,720
uh the

670
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,720
your your little friend

671
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:19,039
that your your life of contact and

672
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,159
everything that you've been through is

673
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,840
amazing and the technology you were

674
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:23,200
exposed to

675
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,919
but

676
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,880
that first contact is

677
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,120
one of the most amazing stories i've

678
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,799
heard anybody

679
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,600
uh tell and so take us through that what

680
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,120
happened first

681
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,640
um you know well the first thing would

682
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,320
be i had um

683
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,120
okay i had i had seen um

684
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,880
for well okay let's for the first thing

685
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,039
okay would be that there's this kid that

686
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,960
would come by and play with me sometimes

687
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,159
and a lot of this stuff started

688
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,520
happening when i was around the age of

689
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,880
seven you know i was pretty well

690
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,039
supervised but uh there's this kid that

691
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,640
would come by and play with me sometimes

692
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,720
and he would like help me make dams on

693
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,400
the curb that would stop the water from

694
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,000
going down because i thought it was

695
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,840
going to flood the world or something it

696
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,080
was important to me he would come make

697
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,400
these these dams with me and he showed

698
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,840
up on the playground one day and stopped

699
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,080
these kids from pushing me off the slide

700
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,320
and went and jumped and went really far

701
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,480
a big jump that scared me and i told him

702
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,240
to go away and not mess with me anymore

703
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:18,559
and i didn't see him anymore okay

704
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,919
until years later i'm i wake up and i'm

705
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:23,679
not um

706
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,360
uh at home i'm on board this ship

707
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,520
and on board this craft is there's a

708
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,240
huge like a mirror like a screen

709
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
okay and i'm looking out the screen i

710
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,679
could see two other ships out there and

711
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,679
they're very large these are craft and

712
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,080
they're like we're over some type of a

713
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:42,640
like a rocky mountain type of pass it's

714
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:43,279
a

715
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:49,520
looks like clouds or something into

716
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,240
their

717
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,440
underbelly

718
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:54,720
and then on the side of this the screen

719
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,039
is a being an insectoid floating in this

720
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,440
very nice uniform he's kind of hovering

721
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,120
over the neck plates

722
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,840
and he starts he's communicating with me

723
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,880
telepathically as did my friend that

724
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,200
would come build the dams with me but as

725
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,039
a kid i just knew it seemed like most

726
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,200
nobody else could do the telepathy and i

727
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,039
seemed to take it for granted that he

728
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,880
could you know what i mean i i just

729
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,799
didn't think much about it as a kid we

730
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,279
dismissed a lot of things you know but

731
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,679
anyway on board this craft

732
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,520
he begins telling me i asked you know i

733
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,440
start asking him telepathy what's going

734
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,880
on and what is this and he uh and then

735
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,360
where he's where is he from who is he i

736
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,520
started asking but i recognized him as

737
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:37,120
the the person who had helped me and

738
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,320
played with me

739
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,880
and now as an adult i can tell you

740
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,799
why it is i didn't recognize him as

741
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,120
being as insectoid as much as being more

742
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,120
of a person when i saw him when he's

743
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,799
playing with me i think it says

744
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,880
something about what these beings can do

745
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,640
to our optical murders

746
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,039
optically how they can change and

747
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,960
influence what they look like to a

748
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,720
certain degree okay

749
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,279
anyway on this craft he's floating and

750
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,320
he tells me that the acid rain

751
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,039
is very bad for your planet and we're

752
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,039
having trouble um

753
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,279
sucking up uh the uh

754
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,760
we're having trouble reversing it

755
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,080
now amongst other things when i can't

756
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,679
speak for anybody else jimmy but when

757
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,760
i'm in the presence of a non-human

758
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,320
whether they be physically physical or

759
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,279
incorporeal non-corporeal i ask what do

760
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,760
they want and where are they from

761
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:29,520
and he started telling me things he said

762
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,960
you need to go 900 million light years

763
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,240
out

764
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,240
and then go beyond exo space time

765
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,440
continuum

766
00:28:41,060 --> 00:28:39,200
and since you don't know what that means

767
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:41,070
and he was right i didn't right

768
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,320
[Laughter]

769
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,799
i don't either so there you go

770
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,600
yeah so you can start with the second

771
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,760
and third planets

772
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,159
past pluto

773
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,080
you know and then i start asking if if

774
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,760
he's lying telepathy after you know

775
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,919
trying to probe him a little because

776
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,240
there are no planets outside of pluto

777
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,440
i knew that much because i liked

778
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,440
astronomy but however because i was i

779
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,960
was about um

780
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,559
right around 12 in this expert when this

781
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,080
deal happened so this is four years

782
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,240
after my seven year my seven year old

783
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,720
stuff happened okay um

784
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,480
he uh uh

785
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,640
i start asking about this this acid rain

786
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,000
and stuff and he starts telling me that

787
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,799
the metals in your atmosphere the metals

788
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,799
and the microwaves are very dangerous

789
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,640
also and that's the reason why they

790
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,200
don't come out of the craft

791
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,200
so that takes that takes it to a whole

792
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,600
another level and acid rain at that

793
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,320
point it wasn't even it wasn't even a

794
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,840
thing was it

795
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,760
no i didn't know what it was at all and

796
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,679
i was i was okay i was in the sixth

797
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,799
grade

798
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,840
and maybe not even a week later uh my

799
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,399
teacher ole miss crow good teacher

800
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,480
they're oldie but goody anyway uh she

801
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,480
had us read once a week something called

802
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,799
the scholastic news

803
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,320
i think they still make that and a lot

804
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,360
of very current events yes

805
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,799
and this one and she

806
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,640
did the torture of making one of us

807
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,039
stand up and read the main article you

808
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,440
know i mean she chose me that day and so

809
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,520
i got up and i read it and the the

810
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,679
article is about the cover

811
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,399
which was the statue of liberty on it

812
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,080
and when i start reading it they start

813
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,919
saying the statue of liberty was being

814
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,159
shut down in parts and people couldn't

815
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,120
tour it because they were repainting it

816
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,480
due to the damage from acid rain

817
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:27,279
right there in words i saw it

818
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,399
and that's when you know i started

819
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,600
really tripping i remember i started

820
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
probably stuttered stuttering go acid

821
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,440
rain maybe if i started laughing like i

822
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,600
was making a joke it was no joke i was

823
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,760
tripping out because that's when

824
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:40,000
these experiences definitely crossed

825
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,120
over from

826
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,279
what was happening to me at night into

827
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,960
reality you know they felt real they

828
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,399
seemed real but that's when i knew for

829
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,480
sure there was no doubt

830
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,240
okay so that would be my first

831
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,559
experience that really allowed me to

832
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,240
to know that what was happening to me

833
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,320
was real it wasn't just me being a kid

834
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,080
that liked too much doctor who i liked

835
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,679
too much star trek you know what i'm

836
00:31:03,389 --> 00:31:02,640
saying yeah and uh also

837
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,399
the

838
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,960
insectoid

839
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,240
character

840
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,440
uh which you saw on the big screen

841
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,360
um was

842
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,799
was he

843
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,480
your little friend that you were

844
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,240
building the dams with

845
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,559
yeah it was him it was him you know and

846
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,000
that's what i'm saying for what reason

847
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,000
is and for he seemed more

848
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,960
just like a a kid wearing sunglasses and

849
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,279
a dumb hat was driving this riding his

850
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,520
stupid swing he come on to swin

851
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,360
uh all the time you know that's what the

852
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,039
few times that i saw him but i could

853
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,640
recognize that it was him and i could

854
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,320
feel him i could feel the energy of him

855
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,480
you know but the thing is he had on this

856
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:39,600
uniform

857
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:43,519
the knees and was very

858
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,360
was he looked very ancient and very

859
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,679
wisdom i say would come off of him a lot

860
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,360
so it was still my friend but it wasn't

861
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,720
the same he didn't feel like the same

862
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,960
guy that was playing making the damns

863
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,720
with me and i knew that he was more than

864
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,720
that then you know what i'm saying yeah

865
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,559
and did you ask him did you go hey hey

866
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,360
were

867
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,039
did you and i used to hang out when i

868
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,640
was seven

869
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,559
well no no i didn't ask because i knew

870
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:10,960
it was him because that was i know now

871
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,519
that was stopping me from freaking out

872
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,200
sure

873
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,279
sorry i'm i'm a nervous brother man okay

874
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,039
i i i i i so i i'm very nervous when i

875
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,600
wake up not at home and when i was in in

876
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,760
front of non-humans i think it says a

877
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,919
lot when we really come before a

878
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,399
non-human but something about him i

879
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,039
think him and the craft itself

880
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,519
kind of exudes some type of a vibration

881
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,159
that nullifies some of our fear makes us

882
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,600
more able to

883
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,960
experience and

884
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,799
me more vividly aware you know what i

885
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,720
mean i do and

886
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,240
for you as you started to get

887
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,120
confirmation about all of this as you

888
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:50,960
were growing up

889
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,000
uh you had your mom uh

890
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,720
how do i want to say this uh your mom

891
00:33:02,870 --> 00:32:59,840
actually

892
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,880
did a confirmation for you but she

893
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,159
didn't know

894
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,039
well and you certainly didn't either

895
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,279
but at that moment things really came

896
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,960
into focus with you

897
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,159
uh tell us about the the conversation

898
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,519
with uh

899
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,480
uh with your mom that day about the

900
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,880
siding over the mall

901
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,640
you know that's that's the darkest thing

902
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,440
um i was by this time i was you know 30

903
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,919
a little over 30. um when i was actually

904
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,320
i would take uh half a day off and work

905
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,320
two jobs on thursdays i go over to my

906
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,919
mother's house and eat lunch with her

907
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,120
for a little bit before i go to the

908
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,200
other job and i came over and she had

909
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,039
these boxes out she was gonna throw away

910
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,760
my uh i had my omnis i used to really

911
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,480
love omni magazine you know a bunch of

912
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,919
good stuff in there but she was gonna

913
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,279
throw it out so i was looking through a

914
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,519
couple of them and one of them was uh

915
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,679
this bunch of ufos just different types

916
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,679
of ufos and i was looking through those

917
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,200
and she comes walking by the laundry

918
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,799
basket and she comes over and poisoned

919
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,760
with them

920
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,360
that looks like the one you and i saw

921
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,440
and then she kept walking

922
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,960
and i said what that's what i looked at

923
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,120
i said what i said looks like the ufo

924
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,600
you and i saw you remember that

925
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,000
and i said no actually i don't

926
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,599
and then when she started describing i

927
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,960
started drilling her and my mom was

928
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,720
always that patient but she when she

929
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,159
actually told me certain things about

930
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,760
the craft what happened it triggered my

931
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,599
memory you know to the point where i

932
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,040
asked my brother i said come for me i

933
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,800
said man maybe i didn't see that thing

934
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,399
and he said oh heck yeah you saw it man

935
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,480
you and mama talked my but my head off

936
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,079
when i got home that's all you was

937
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,000
talking about was that i remember my

938
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,159
mother looks at me and she goes oh she

939
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,359
goes you

940
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,480
mr star trek guy with that crazy

941
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,240
weird memory of yours you've got a

942
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,399
creepy memory how is it you can remember

943
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,240
everything but you don't remember seeing

944
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,560
that ufo i mean when she described the

945
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,000
day she was taking me across from one

946
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,679
store to another i just gotten a

947
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,760
birthday gift for my seventh birthday

948
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,760
and it was uh you might remember this

949
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,159
jimmy it was a stretch armstrong dimmer

950
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,119
stretch armstrong we all do i never

951
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,839
i never got a stretch armstrong i was i

952
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:04,160
was a little older so i guess i'm older

953
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,280
than you

954
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,000
uh so stretch was about

955
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:10,880
five years behind me but i will say that

956
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,880
my brothers both had stretch armstrongs

957
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,560
well you know the thing is i stretched

958
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,560
him on the first day i had him he

959
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,640
started leaking and my mother's saying

960
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,480
that's the nuclear goo we're gonna take

961
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,400
that back so that's that's what we were

962
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,560
doing that day and i could remember that

963
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,760
but i couldn't remember seeing this

964
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,320
craft until she decisively talked about

965
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,720
it a lot and described it

966
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,960
so when i got older i decided to

967
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,960
actually you know i know that especially

968
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,720
that point the only time i'm missing

969
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,320
time in my life

970
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,359
is from two months after i took uh four

971
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,280
catastrophic traumatic brain injuries

972
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,880
and then before that only when i was

973
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,640
dealing with these beings

974
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,240
and they interacted with with me would i

975
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,320
ever be missing any time or had a

976
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:54,400
fragmented memory you know what i mean

977
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,200
right

978
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,200
so i that that that spawned me to go get

979
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,800
a regression to see why couldn't i

980
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,880
remember that vividly because oddly

981
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,320
enough okay

982
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,359
about a year before this i had talked to

983
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,920
um a quote unquote clairvoyant this

984
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,839
local in the city i live i've been

985
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,520
dealing with her for years i just know

986
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,760
her and she started telling me that um

987
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,839
well you know uh you had a friend that

988
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,760
gave you something on board that first

989
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,160
craft that you saw as a child with a

990
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,079
parent and i looked at her i said look

991
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,640
i've never seen a ufo with a parent and

992
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,079
she looks at me she goes i think you

993
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,760
have and you don't remember it because

994
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,359
you were interacting with it they were

995
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,599
there observing you you thought they

996
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:33,119
were just there doing something else but

997
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,640
they were watching you and that's

998
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,400
probably why you can't remember it but

999
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,839
your friend gave you something that was

1000
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,680
on that ship later on

1001
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,359
i'm just looking at like okay right you

1002
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,839
knew age freak you know so i tried i

1003
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,119
want to believe in doing something else

1004
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,040
and then a year later two years later

1005
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,480
this happens with my mother she starts

1006
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,920
mentioning that

1007
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,040
and it was really it's one of those

1008
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,480
things where you just you know certain

1009
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,640
things will happen in our contact

1010
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,359
experiences to trigger our memories

1011
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,560
because remembering the event horizon

1012
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,480
isn't always that easy

1013
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,400
due to the vibration difference that it

1014
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,800
occurs on a lot of these these entities

1015
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,800
are their vibration is a lot faster than

1016
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:10,560
us

1017
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:16,079
no she passed uh actually um almost five

1018
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,119
years ago

1019
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,880
did she become

1020
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,720
uh

1021
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,520
what it did well i don't think she was

1022
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,119
part of the community

1023
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,079
but was she somebody that was

1024
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,720
uh appreciating what you were going

1025
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,640
through and of course the sighting that

1026
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,440
you guys had together where was she

1027
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,640
uh at this uh towards the end

1028
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,079
i'll tell you my mom was very high on

1029
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,320
the esp scale but didn't admit it and

1030
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:44,079
didn't like that stuff

1031
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,119
you know if you started mentioning

1032
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,400
something like that you say i don't want

1033
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,800
to talk about that s blank and you know

1034
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,599
to drop that real quick but she was um

1035
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,839
open i put it to you like this when i

1036
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,000
first started listening to art bell

1037
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,800
that was in about 1991 he was doing

1038
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,880
coast to coast he just started it

1039
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:03,040
and uh my mom's want to turn me on to

1040
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,480
that she said i know you don't sleep at

1041
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,400
night and this guy talks about all the

1042
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:11,270
very interesting

1043
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,520
other part about this as you're going

1044
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,040
through this

1045
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,160
uh you did ask for

1046
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,680
uh

1047
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:26,560
something more physical to happen

1048
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,079
and i i want to know why you had to ask

1049
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,119
that question because up to that point

1050
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
were you feeling that it wasn't physical

1051
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,440
or maybe that it was and you didn't

1052
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,040
realize if it was

1053
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,920
but you needed something to happen for

1054
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:42,800
you

1055
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,359
asked the question

1056
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,440
at the risk of sounding arrogant all

1057
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,200
right i'll i'll never lie to you my

1058
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,400
friend one is i wanted confirmation

1059
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,240
that i could prove it i want to prove it

1060
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,240
to the world that some stuff was

1061
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,040
happening to me and number two

1062
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,960
i was going to try to grab something

1063
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,880
some object or something

1064
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,960
sure i could i could hold on to that and

1065
00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:08,320
i could present that to people and say

1066
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,980
you see this came from there

1067
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,839
[Laughter]

1068
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,640
do you remember that do you remember uh

1069
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,160
a movie called real men

1070
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,520
with uh jim belushi and uh

1071
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,839
uh what's his name from uh he's great

1072
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,000
he's no longer with us from uh

1073
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,520
three's company

1074
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,599
oh ritter yeah yeah

1075
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,599
yeah john ritter have you ever seen that

1076
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,839
movie no i don't think so okay that's

1077
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,839
what you're gonna watch tonight after

1078
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,240
the show real men

1079
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:41,200
okay it is it's a it's uh it's one of

1080
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:45,280
the great ufo films of all time but in

1081
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,079
that

1082
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,240
uh in the in the movie i'm not going to

1083
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,000
give anything away

1084
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,599
but e.t

1085
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,240
gives john ritter

1086
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,079
a pen

1087
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,640
he gets his pen right he gets the uh he

1088
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,480
gets the et pen

1089
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,480
and you've got to check out the movie

1090
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,440
and what it means to ritter um

1091
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:08,480
uh and and jim belushi too as well uh

1092
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:11,680
throughout the movie this gift uh stays

1093
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,560
there but yeah i would do the same thing

1094
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,560
i would go grab the pen

1095
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,720
i'd grab the pen off the desk

1096
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:21,680
off the spaceship i certainly would

1097
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,320
um and so that was part of your quest

1098
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,760
then

1099
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,359
yeah it was i i was gonna prove the

1100
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,640
stuff you know what i mean i was gonna

1101
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,480
prove this happened to me but because

1102
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,480
number one is and i want to stress this

1103
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,400
that i was never

1104
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,800
involved in any sexual connotation to

1105
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,920
any of my experiences i wasn't uh

1106
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,440
bullied i wasn't

1107
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,280
nothing like that happened none of my

1108
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,720
experiences were negative they were all

1109
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,160
very positive

1110
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,280
but

1111
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,920
um the the fragmented

1112
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,240
memories after this missing time like

1113
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,079
each time was over a little over four

1114
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,440
times okay and i had actually four adult

1115
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,760
onset experiences that involved over

1116
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,920
four hours of missing time and three of

1117
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,079
them somebody else was with me and they

1118
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:06,160
saw these craft come up on us and then

1119
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,760
they're missing time with me and we're

1120
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,800
up here looking at each other we're

1121
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,560
missing four hours four and a half hours

1122
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,480
of time and we could see these beings

1123
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,400
you can still see some of their faces i

1124
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,000
could still see their faces i could

1125
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,680
still retain some of the information

1126
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,839
they gave and i could see some

1127
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,760
technology still

1128
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,440
and that's i like technology you know

1129
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,960
what i mean so that was kind of my thing

1130
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:26,880
but that's what i was always able to

1131
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,839
observe there and and what year was this

1132
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,319
and what city was it outside of i know

1133
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,599
you guys were out in the suburbs in in

1134
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,040
farmland

1135
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,400
[Laughter]

1136
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,440
outside of kansas uh largest city which

1137
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,560
is wichita

1138
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,480
we're about five six miles outside of

1139
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,599
wichita

1140
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,440
and uh it was um a country area out

1141
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,359
there a lake out there

1142
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,440
and i had uh actually drove out there

1143
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,040
with her and we were gonna you know i

1144
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,119
had we were just we were just 18 so

1145
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,480
we're still living at home and stuff

1146
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,640
like our first year going to college and

1147
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,400
i had other minds i said we're going to

1148
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,839
college at the other country we'll

1149
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,079
meditate and uh do that you know what i

1150
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,920
mean but in in reality where i had other

1151
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,359
things on my mind but where we're doing

1152
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,800
this meditation

1153
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,800
uh one of these ships materialized is

1154
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,400
kind of when i was looking over this

1155
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,040
this this uh this uh

1156
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,359
that river uh pond i could see this

1157
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,280
thing materialized over it

1158
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,520
and it's tuning me in that's that's when

1159
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,880
that first happened and that's you know

1160
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,400
that's when they came closer and then

1161
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,000
she saw the ship a little bit later on

1162
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,760
and suddenly were outside of the car

1163
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,680
don't know how we got out of the car

1164
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,400
you know and with all due respect to her

1165
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,079
we had three experiences together that

1166
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,240
involved a bunch of missing time and she

1167
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920
wasn't really cool with it

1168
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,000
even though it wasn't any anything

1169
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,119
negative but once you have missing time

1170
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,400
and you've really seen one of these

1171
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,800
craft that's why i warn people

1172
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,480
sky watching is great i have nothing

1173
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,640
against it but you know one of those

1174
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:55,040
craft comes too close towards you

1175
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,079
and you're setting up there you're

1176
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,680
missing five or six hours of time or

1177
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,920
something four hours it messes with your

1178
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,760
life really good

1179
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,359
you can't think of much else you're

1180
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,359
trying to retain these memories trying

1181
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,520
to get them back trying to you looking

1182
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,200
up all different science trying to

1183
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,280
figure out explain what happened to you

1184
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,040
other people have had this happen it

1185
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,119
just throws your life in a circle so

1186
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:16,400
i'll say

1187
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,319
the uh that that the first uh

1188
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,160
night you had three missing time

1189
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,400
encounters but the first one

1190
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,359
where you and only you saw the craft she

1191
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,160
didn't see it i i just said she she was

1192
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,200
a she everybody okay who was with barry

1193
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,280
um

1194
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,480
the uh

1195
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:37,440
well

1196
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,040
contact anymore and i don't want to

1197
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,880
reveal who she is or anything like that

1198
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:46,319
and i know that you don't want to too

1199
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:47,119
but

1200
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:53,359
the uh the craft describe what you saw

1201
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,280
this was uh of a physical

1202
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,599
sighting that night what did the craft

1203
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,880
look like

1204
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,760
okay when it pulses two okay

1205
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,400
it's got it it's a saucer first

1206
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,160
and it looks like i would put it maybe

1207
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:10,960
about 150 diameter looked over this pond

1208
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,720
but on top of it it's got um a rod

1209
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,160
an antenna

1210
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,240
and it's got a light on the top of this

1211
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,839
antenna a couple different lights and

1212
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,520
it's going in circles

1213
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:23,119
and each time it comes towards me it's

1214
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,319
going

1215
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,160
i mean i can feel this

1216
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,920
and um she's over there she's sitting

1217
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,760
right next to me and she's meditating

1218
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,599
she's in uh um

1219
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,440
indian style she's meditating like that

1220
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,280
on the seat which to me is extremely

1221
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,400
uncomfortable we'll talk about that

1222
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,720
another time anyway uh she's meditating

1223
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,319
like then i say hey uh

1224
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,160
do you see this thing out here and she

1225
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,839
looks she just kind of puts her hand

1226
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,599
towards my face and goes hey man

1227
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,119
whatever you're experiencing that's your

1228
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,200
thing leave me be

1229
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,359
so i left her alone i said okay and i

1230
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,960
just kept watching this thing you know

1231
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,560
what i mean and then i kind of drifted

1232
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,400
off or something like i got

1233
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,319
mesmerized by it you see i'm saying then

1234
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,240
all of a sudden i feel a break in this

1235
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,480
and i open up my eyes and she's looking

1236
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,440
at this craft i mean her head is like

1237
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,800
between

1238
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,800
the dashboard and the window and she's

1239
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:10,640
looking at this thing and i said hey you

1240
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,599
know it's been there a whole a long time

1241
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,920
don't freak out you're gonna mess it up

1242
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,520
and just start looking at it looking at

1243
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,400
me and she started kind of

1244
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,079
hyperventilating a little bit

1245
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,480
and then it goes boom it goes with like

1246
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,079
behind us

1247
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,599
and then all of a sudden it's like we're

1248
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,040
standing outside of the car and the car

1249
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:28,800
is turned around

1250
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,240
and we're looking at one of these craft

1251
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,079
and and for some reason i don't know how

1252
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,839
that happened but i'm thinking okay

1253
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,119
we're not in the country this must be

1254
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,960
the syrup

1255
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,160
that's the helicopter we're gonna get

1256
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,599
busted out here man it's getting out of

1257
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,800
here tomorrow

1258
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,720
but she's going i think they want us to

1259
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:46,160
go up and i said are you out of your

1260
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,119
mind

1261
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,960
and then the ship starts at this thing

1262
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,800
it's it's just a light at this point it

1263
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,200
could be a helicopter and it goes over

1264
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,720
to the right and i can see it's the

1265
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,480
saucer again okay

1266
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,400
then another one comes up that looks

1267
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,520
more like um a golden ball

1268
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,560
spear

1269
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,160
and she's watching that one but i'm

1270
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,520
watching this other one it's the one

1271
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,319
that had been there already okay

1272
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
now this is when

1273
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,240
something that happened it threw me for

1274
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:15,839
a real loop okay i'm watching this thing

1275
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,280
and it starts flashing like a silver

1276
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,119
type of deal around it

1277
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,319
and then it starts morphing jimmy and it

1278
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,960
morphs into what looks like these a

1279
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,119
crystalline ball with these stagulomites

1280
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,359
coming off of it almost like a molecule

1281
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,119
connected to another one there are three

1282
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,240
of them

1283
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,319
okay and they're moving a certain way in

1284
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,400
the sky and their light is actually

1285
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,119
emanating from a type of bioluminescence

1286
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,760
is coming from the inside out

1287
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,680
and i was just freaking out i could see

1288
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,680
energy coming off of this thing and i

1289
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:50,079
could not accept seeing the ship doing

1290
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:51,040
this

1291
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,119
experience is all over i started looking

1292
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,640
everywhere trying to find out what in

1293
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,319
the world did i see

1294
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,400
i'm looking up ezekiel and the wheel and

1295
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,000
everything else and the only thing i

1296
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,480
found that later conformed to this which

1297
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,000
odd enough was a

1298
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,040
book i got a year before uh jj hertox

1299
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,119
the keys of enoch right in the middle of

1300
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,800
that book there's um something he calls

1301
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,240
bipyramidal merkabahs

1302
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,240
and more importantly try pyramidal

1303
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,960
merkabahs and in that book he even shows

1304
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,880
illustrations how some of these things

1305
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,040
will change and looking like a ship into

1306
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,000
pyramids and different configurations

1307
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,400
okay that's what i saw to a degree

1308
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,880
definitely and at least it gave me a

1309
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,359
frame of reference to what i was seeing

1310
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,440
but at the same time what is it like to

1311
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,920
be on board a craft that can do that on

1312
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:41,359
the outside

1313
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:45,119
not in the same dimension that's what it

1314
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,160
means

1315
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,240
anyway i'm sorry i'm going away no i

1316
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,079
didn't mess with you

1317
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:52,319
i get too carried away man i'm sorry i'm

1318
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:56,000
mesmerized and uh imagining

1319
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,720
uh a multifaceted uh merkabah uh

1320
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:03,760
inside of another you know and changing

1321
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,760
uh and changing its uh geometry in shape

1322
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,680
and you're absolutely right what's going

1323
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,280
on in the inside of that craft at the

1324
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,280
same time

1325
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,680
what was what was uh i've

1326
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,079
30 seconds barry if you can

1327
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:20,960
what was the size of this

1328
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,720
the the golden sphere uh and you know

1329
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,319
what what are we talking about here is

1330
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,440
it is it a hundreds of feet is it tens

1331
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,319
of feet is it a mile how big are these

1332
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,119
craft

1333
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,200
i'd say when it was a saucer the one i

1334
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,119
was looking at it looked like it was 150

1335
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,319
feet maybe

1336
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,520
wide

1337
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,319
and the golden ball she looked at maybe

1338
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,800
it looked a little bigger maybe 200 feet

1339
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:46,319
it was pretty pretty a little bigger

1340
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,319
okay and when this thing changed into

1341
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,520
this crystalline merkabah um uh i would

1342
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,720
say

1343
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,640
maybe 200 feet

1344
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,119
incredible absolutely incredible let's

1345
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,720
take a break right here our guest

1346
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,839
tonight is the one and only barry

1347
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,280
littleton this is fade to black i'm your

1348
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,800
host jimmy church

1349
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:08,000
barry's website is barry littleton.com

1350
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,000
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1351
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:10,640
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1352
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